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APH says
I read the first four books and learned so many new details I never knew even though I grew up in Tallahassee. One thing I wondered is that while I don’t think Linda healey was the first murder of Ted she does resemble Diane Edwards the most they could be twins. No one seems to mention that. It does seem to appear he stalked her awhile. I also have a lot of curiosity about other possible victims still not atributed to Ted.
Kevin Sullivan says
Hi APH,
First, thanks for the good words about my Bundy books!
You’re correct, Healy was not his first murder, but it was the first after he launched himself into unabated murder at the dawn of 1974, knowing he was never going to stop until he was either captured or killed. And yes, both Healy and Edwards were dark haired and quite striking to look at. And one could easily say that the similarity in looks could have contributed to Lynda’s disappearance; that is, Bundy chose her because of her looks. Unfortunately that is something we’ll never know. From all of my years of experience studying and writing about this case, I am of two minds when it comes to the abduction of Lynda Healy: On the one hand, it may be that he knew Lynda and was stalking her. This is something I’ve considered. However, I’ve also considered that the attack on the home that night/early morning, may have been totally random (after he spotted a group of women at Dante’s and followed them home), and that Bundy had no idea who was actually in that room when he entered it? We will never know conclusively one way or another. My personal feeling is that he knew of Healy (rather than “knowing” her), and he may have recognized her in Dante’s Tavern earlier in the evening. That said, he may have had his eyes on the other two women with her too (there was a guy with them as well), and perhaps he wanted one of them that night? Again, these are things we will never know. There were one or two odd calls to the house later that night around, I believe, 8:00 p.m. on that Feb. 1st – some 16 or 17 hours after Lynda vanished. After one of the women answered it, they could only hear breathing over the line, and they caller refused to talk. I can’t prove it, but I believe that was Bundy. Anyway, i hope this helps.
Thanks for the contact. 🙂
Fiz. says
Thanks for sharing this, Kevin. Your Encyclopaedia is on my wish list.
Kevin Sullivan says
You’re most welcome, Fiz. And thanks! 🙂
Carol J Oas says
Hi Kevin, I am a psychiatric Nurse Practitioner intrigued by the psychosocial development of TB. Am starting to devour your writings on TB.
Questions:
The Elizabeth Lund home only released some of their records on Louise and Ted saying Louise would not sign for all of them. Are they obtainable now that both of them are deceased?
Did Ted grow up calling her Louise or Mom? How disorienting and frustrating to have never been given an explanation.
Being left at the home for some months and then taken home by an ambivalent mother, and having to sense his birth having been a misfortune that must be hidden and never talked about, all the while the family presenting as healthy had a poisonous impact on his psyche.
Also the grandfather, if he was indeed sadistic and Ted was close to him he would have wanted to emulate his grandfather. Apparently he had access to the grandfather’s sadistic magazines. No one intervened, instead it was unaddressed. Then being taken away from his grandfather and moving in with strangers with his much older sister…
His early years were dreadful but had to be presented as stellar, not to mention genetic loading. A breeding ground for unbonded rage And it’s asked “what went wrong?”
Kevin Sullivan says
Hi Carol, and thanks for the contact…
I’ll be happy to answer your questions and give you the facts that always “bust” the myths. And there are a number of myths about Bundy’s childhood. One recently put to rest (thank God!) was the myth that Bundy’s grandfather was actually his father. Although incest is a problem in society, the story never seemed valid to me. And recently, a fellow I know obtained Bundy’s DNA from a source once close to Ted, had it tested, and grandfather Sam Cowell is not the father. So glad that one is now dead.
As far as the Lund home and their records, I have no idea how you can obtain them or even if they’re still available. Sorry.
I don’t know the exact time or days Louise left him at Lund, and frankly, it’s hard to tell myth from the truth for that one. When I was writing The Bundy Murders: A Comprehensive History, I stayed away from it because we do know Louise brought the child to her parents’ home in Philadelphia, and little teddy spent the first four plus years of his life there. Now, it wouldn’t surprise me if I found out she never left the child at Lund, and instead, took her baby immediately back to PA, but I can’t be dogmatic about it.
Now, the myth (and this is a BIG ONE) that Ted grew up believing his mother was his sister, and his grandparents were his mother and father, has become a mantra among the less-informed students and readers of the Bundy case. So what’s the truth of the matter? Well, if there ever was a mix up in Bundy’s head, it was completely cured by the time he moved with Louise to Brown’s Point, WA (close to Tacoma) when he was either 4 or no later than 5-years-old. When Bundy was asked about this (as someone recently told me) he shrugged it off and called it BS. Here are the facts: after Louise married Johnnie Bundy, Johnnie adopted Ted and gave him his last name. From their union came four additional children. As those children grew up, they all knew Ted was their elder brother, and Ted would always refer to Louise as mom. Bundy’s two best friends when he was young (Terry Storwick and Warren Dodge) knew Louise was his mother and that Johnnie was his adoptive father. In the end, Bundy always knew who his real mother was. If there ever was any truth to this, it was cleared up when he was a very small boy.
As to Sam Cowell and the Cowell home in Philadelphia, and whether or not it was filled with moral depravity (to the degree people talk about today); such as to warp little Teddy, I have my doubts, and here’s why: While it may be true that Sam Cowell had a problem with anger, and there may have been an incident or two in the home (again, lot’s of things have been said and determining the truth can often be difficult), Bundy said he had nothing but fond memories of the man. Bundy also spoke to Dr. Al Carlisle about how much he liked living with the family in Philadelphia. So there is no record of Bundy stating anything was wrong or weird about the family. Also, I know a fellow who Interviewed Bundy’s aunt Audrey twice and it was clear to him she didn’t agree with these assessments at all. Could she be lying? Of course, but to what end? One more myth: They say Bundy got into Same Cowell’s porno collection, and that’s what got Ted on the wrong course; and because this rumor has persisted, I did include it in The Bundy Murders. However, if Sam Cowell had a collection of skin magazines, just how much pleasure could a 3, 4, or 5-year-old get out a bunch of pictures of naked women? Not much I suspect. However, when Bundy was interviewed by the late Louisville criminologist, Ronald M. Holmes, Bundy said when he was a teenager (and you can read this in my latest book, The Enigma of Ted Bundy) he discovered true detective magazines (there were 5 or 6 at that time and I remember them well) in the garbage cans in his neighborhood, and Bundy made a mental note of which houses purchased them. And these publications, with their outrageous violent and sexual covers, fascinated Ted Bundy far more than even soft pornography, because they contained images of not just scantly clad women, but women in the grip of fear who were bound and ready to be killed. Bundy would later confess to Bill Hagmaier that not only were these his favorite magazines, but that he would sometimes duplicate with his victims the scenes he’d seen on the covers of the detective magazines.
I hope this helps.
take care,
Kevin
Scott Martin says
Hello Kevin, i just purchased The Yearly Journal, another job well done, i have a few questions i’m hoping you can answer, are there any of Bundy’s victims parents still alive? When Bundy broke into Cheryl Thomas’s residence he left his pantyhose mask behind on the floor, how did it get there? surely he wouldn’t have taken it off and thrown it there, and last, question, after all this time do you believe Bundy made one of the Lake Sammamish victims watch the other die? i know you have written about this before, just wanted to see if you have changed your mind.
Kevin Sullivan says
Hi Scott, and thanks for the good words.
I’m sure a number of parents are still living, but I don’t know the particulars as to the names of the dead or the living parents. I know Dean Kent died a number of years ago, and the last I heard, Belva Kent is still here.
Yes, Bundy got flustered during the attack on Cheryl Thomas and left it behind. He very much wanted to kill her, but with all the beating on the wall and calling out and calling her phone from her friends next door, he departed far sooner that he intended, and forgot the mask was laying on the floor.
Yes, he absolutely did murder one of the Lake Sammamish victims in front of the other, because that’s what he told Bill Hagmaier. And I don’t believe he ever lied to Bill.
I hope this helps…
Kevin 🙂
Jim says
Hi Kevin,
Would you have supported keeping Bundy in prison rather than executing him?
It seems to me that he would have been a great opportunity to learn more about the mental make up of serial killers.
Thanks,
Kevin Sullivan says
Hi Jim,
I’m glad Bundy was put to death. After murdering so many women and destroying so many families, it was the right thing to do. As far as learning more from Bundy, we learned a great deal prior to his death, and I doubt we’d have obtained a great deal more.
Thanks for the contact!
Kevin
Radim Kožušník says
Greetings from the Czech Republic. I have already read four of your books (4). They are excellent. I am also reading a book by Ann Rule and I will be reading by Robert Keppel and Michaud. and Bob Dekle (The Last Murder: The Investigation, Prosecution, and Execution of Ted Bundy. But your books are the best. I will write you more when I read it all.
It occurred to me, and at the same time a question? I think that if Ted Bundy had lived a little longer, the family and society would have learned more about the individual cases and perhaps he would have remembered where the undiscovered bodies were. They could have lied to Bundy, saying that the execution would be changed to life imprisonment, so that he would reveal more. When Bundy lied, the investigators could have lied to find out more. A few more months wouldn’t matter and the families might have found out. I think Bundy thought he had more time and would have told everything. (in exchange for more time)
Radim Kožušník
Kevin Sullivan says
Hi Radim and thanks for the contact! It’s good to hear from someone from the Czech Republic. 🙂
Yes, it’s possible Bundy may have given up more information to the detectives if he had a little more time. The problem was that the governor of Florida, when he set up a new execution date, set it for only one week (or 8 days, I can’t remember). Of course, once Bundy started those actual confessions, he was answering anything being asked of him as to what he had done and to whom. Indeed, the only time he drew back from, on occasion, was when he was asked about sexual things he had done to the victims, and depending on how he was feeling at the moment, might defer saying something like he just couldn’t “talk about that right now.” But at least he wasn’t lying. As such it does make sense that if he had, say, three more weeks other facts would certainly have come out.
However, I do hear from folks that think if Bundy would not have been executed that over the years, more would have come out, and I’m not so sure about that and here’s why: I think he gave up most important info in that one week, and the rest in the next week or two but that’s it. I think there were still some things that Bundy was never going to share no matter how long he lived. And yes, I look forward to your future contacts and questions.
Marco says
Ciao Kevin, credo che Bundy sia stato giustiziato soprattutto per l’elevato costo che gravava sui contribuenti dell Florida ( circa 6 mln di $ ). Mantenerlo in vita per altri 40 anni non andava bene. Con il passare degli anni probabilmente avrebbe permesso di dare delle risposte a quelle famiglie che non hanno mai piu avuto notizie delle proprie ragazze. Credo anche che l’evoluzione della medicina avrebbe potuto aiutare Ted a raccontare tutto quello che teneva nascosto dentro di se. Non ho letto i tuoi libri perche’ scritti in inglese ( lingua che non parlo ) spero ci sia un’edizione in lingua italiana.
Grazie
Kevin Sullivan says
I should have said “and the rest would have come out in a week or two.”
Radim Kožušník says
Thank you for your reply. I will definitely get back to you. I also want to ask if it is possible to find more detailed photographs of crime scenes (police photos) and murdered victims that have not yet been published. You said yourself that you had some. It is probably inappropriate in public show out of respect for the survivors, but I would like to see them. For now, I salute you and go on reading. This case will never be forgotten and there is always something interesting to be found. But only for those who are interested. There are many people who he knows nothing about it at all.
Kevin Sullivan says
I have seen the unpublished crime scene photos of Laura Anne Aime, but I don’t have them. My late friend, Jim Massie, had copies and let me view them years before I decided to write The Bundy Murders. And no, the most graphic pics I couldn’t publish. As far as other photos out there, you’d have to go in person to where the various archives house these photos along with the original case files. I don’t believe you’ll find a great deal out there on Bundy’s victims, except for certain shots of the Florida victims murdered at Chi Omega. Also, many of his victims were buried or discovered as skeletons; pictures of which are available online. I hope this helps. Until next time…
Radim Kožušník says
I went back to several of Ted Bundy’s books and statements, and I just noticed
a few little things that weren’t discussed in much detail. It’s about the kidnapping and murders at Lake Sammamish.
A lot of people think that Bundy kidnapped Janice Ott and then later that afternoon Denise Naslund to the location
called issaquah and killed them there (where the remains were later found) and (one watched the death of the other)
But T.B. himself speculates that it was different. That he did not take them immediately to this place,
but they had previously been kept elsewhere in another place, and he did not take them to Issaquah until some time later.
It would be logical, it was a beautiful sunny day and there were a lot of people in nature. It would be a risk in broad daylight
take them away now. He might be spotted. (death row int…)
1. This means that he gradually took them to some place, to some house or cottage that he had.
Some secret hiding place where no one could disturb him (not the Ernst and Freda Rogers house) but elsewhere.
one witness testified that T.B was looking for a house or cabin in the sammamisch area.
2. They were discovered only after 2 months in Issaquah, but I think they were not there in the first days…
They were elsewhere, where he had time for them, maybe alive, maybe dead, (and one could observe the death of the other…)
And he transported them to the place of discovery on other days (nights) and maybe much later than we think. One, and then the other.
He wouldn’t even risk letting J.O live in the wild (anyone could come in the woods)
3 It has already been said, but he must have had some other perfect hiding place, the main things happened in another place
and of course there must be other burial grounds somewhere…and more.
Florida should have given investigators more time to reveal it…
And one more note, I know the place in Issaquah used to be more abandoned,
and now, when I looked at the map of the place where the bones were found and put the street view directly at the bottom of the winding path, there is a bench on the spot to rest and sit, maybe to remember,
next to the bench there is a white stone and a little higher are two more boulders. Memorial place?
or coincidence?
Kevin Sullivan says
Well, there were places Bundy could have kept Ott bound and gagged in the Issaquah woods; perhaps bound to a tree. He may also have used an abandoned cabin but I doubt he’d have gone far out of the area. Now, as to keeping them alive after that day the evidence says no. What follows is from my book, The Enigma of Ted Bundy, and I’m quoting from Conversations with a killer:
“SM: What happens then? TB: He’d follow the same pattern with the second girl as the first. SM: In view of the other girl? TB: In all probability, yes. SM: After the sexual assault, he has two bound victims. What does he do now? TB: Well, by this time his frenzied compulsive activity of that day has run its course. Then he realized the jeopardy he was in. Then the normal self would begin to reemerge and, realizing the greater danger involved, would suffer panic and begin to think of ways to conceal the acts—or at least his part of them. So he’d kill the two girls, place them in his car, and take them to a secluded area and leave them. SM: Right away? TB: Within a matter of hours.”
Bundy also told FBI agent Bill Hagmaier that both Ott and Naslund saw each other and that he killed one in front of the other. This, of course, was done to produce psychological terror in the one who was forced to witness the murder and absolutely knowing she was next. So, according to Bundy, he killed them both at the end of the day (we don’t know if this happened at Issaquah) and after he took Liz and Molly out for hamburgers and ice cream, he went back to pick up the bodies and dump them where they were found. I hope this helps.
Radim Kožušník says
yes, thanks for the answer. I carefully read the answers of T.B – S.M. By leaving the first girl tied up in the forest, he would be taking a lot of risk if he drove there with the second girl. And he must have been close to the area when he soon returned to the lake for the next girl. He must have kept them somewhere for a long time, maybe even days (T.B lied to everyone) Issaquah was just a dump I think.
And the crime scene was somewhere else. We will never know the whole truth.
Thanks
Kevin Sullivan says
Yes, Ted Bundy was a liar. However, he didn’t lie in his end of life confessions, and he didn’t lie to Stephen Michaud either as he was speaking in the third-person. So we have him telling Michaud the person (himself) killed Ott and Naslund the same day as the abduction, and then Bundy tells Bill Hagmaier that he killed Ott and Naslund the same day and that one watched the other die. And Bundy never lied to Bill Hagmaier. So while Bundy did keep some women for a day (Debra Kent and Nancy Wilcox), and some for much longer (Laura Ann Aime and Melissa Smith), it’s clear he killed Janice Ott and Denise Naslund the same day. Take care.
Radim Kožušník says
hello, I’m reading another book,,The exact location of the kaiser’s cabin in Conundrum creek is known,
Where did Bundy live? Exact location, gps coordinates? There are a few photos, I know where the place is, but I want to know exactly.
Does the cabin still exist?
And I also want to ask about some details about the murders of two hitchhikers “in the east” about which not much is known.
Bundy testified that he killed two female hitchhikers when he was in the “East”.
Kevin Sullivan says
Bundy was from Tacoma, WA but lived in Seattle after he started at the Univ. of WA and would continue living in Seattle until he moved to Utah. His parents owned a cabin in Gig Harbor, but I have no GPS info for it. As far as the two women murdered in the “East”, you’re likely referring to the Garden State Parkway murders. For that you should read, “The Garden State Parkway Murders” by Christian Barth and published right here at WildBlue Press. It is a great book and covers the case well. I even interviewed Barth for my book, The Enigma of Ted Bundy.
I hope this helps.
Radim Kožušník says
thanks for the reply. I meant the log cabin where he hid when he escaped from the courtroom in Aspen. Up in the mountains. I had the log cabin in mind. Not his parents’ cabin, but in the Aspen mountains after the escape. I’m looking for this cabin, information, coordinates.
Kevin Sullivan says
I don’t have any of that information, sorry.